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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

I really like the shot, but it worries me a bit that the background (everything, it seems, from halfway across the river and beyond that) is out of focus. Doesn't seem to me that the light was that dull. Is this the effect you were looking for? Did you focus on the stone steps on purpose? If so, fine, although I'd have preferred sharpness throughout.

If you were trying for further sharpness, using the "focus 1/3 into the subject" method likely would have worked with this landscape. You don't mention whether you were in aperture priority mode. Just seems unfortunate that such a great shot is lessened by the softness in the background....

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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

Could be framed and hung anywhere. So much to see and so many colours.
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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

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I really like the shot, but it worries me a bit that the background (everything, it seems, from halfway across the river and beyond that) is out of focus. Doesn't seem to me that the light was that dull. Is this the effect you were looking for? Did you focus on the stone steps on purpose? If so, fine, although I'd have preferred sharpness throughout.

If you were trying for further sharpness, using the "focus 1/3 into the subject" method likely would have worked with this landscape. You don't mention whether you were in aperture priority mode. Just seems unfortunate that such a great shot is lessened by the softness in the background....

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I'm afraid I don't see Tims shot as having the out of focus area you refer to, however if I was to hazard a guess I'd say there has been some selective sharpening on the foreground area which may have given you this impression.
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Just look at everyone else's comments, Time - definitely another POTD coming up from you

I think this picture is very inspirational. One thing I have let slip this year is getting out and taking 'real' pictures, rather than just test pictures.

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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

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I really like the shot, but it worries me a bit that the background (everything, it seems, from halfway across the river and beyond that) is out of focus. Doesn't seem to me that the light was that dull. Is this the effect you were looking for? Did you focus on the stone steps on purpose? If so, fine, although I'd have preferred sharpness throughout.

If you were trying for further sharpness, using the "focus 1/3 into the subject" method likely would have worked with this landscape. You don't mention whether you were in aperture priority mode. Just seems unfortunate that such a great shot is lessened by the softness in the background....

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Hi Lesley, and thanks for the feedback

Firstly, the areas beyond the river are not technically out of focus, they're simply softer thanks to (or because of...) the depth of field, which was relatively narrow because I focused on the foreground detail - mainly those steps. I was in fact using aperture priority and the recorded aperture is f11, but I know for a fact that had I focused a third into scene (in this case), I've have lost the sheer detail I've captured in the foreground using my method. That said, I wasn't actually trying to achieve consistent sharpness throughout the scene in any case - doing this would've minimised the impact of the foreground and it's detail.

You should be also consider that I was hand-holding the camera (I had to wade across the river to get to this vantage point... ), so a narrower aperture (given that I was using ISO 400 and shutter speed of 1/60th sec) would've been all but impossible in any case. Also, the light was actually failing (it was around 3.40pm and it was dark by 4.30 pm) and the sun had already gone down behind the hills to the right of the scene.

Anyway, I nevertheless appreciate your comments and the fact that for you, the shot is compromised because the distant elements are not as sharp as the foreground. For me that's a good thing, but it's great to know that we all see things differently

Thanks for your honest critique!
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Just look at everyone else's comments, Time - definitely another POTD coming up from you

I think this picture is very inspirational. One thing I have let slip this year is getting out and taking 'real' pictures, rather than just test pictures.

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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

Once again, thanks to all those who gave feedback - good, bad or indifferent - on this image. I find the folks here - regardless of their own skills or experience - to be both honest and lucid in terms of their comments, and this is a great help to me. Oh and the odd bit of praise doesn't do me any harm either...

Cheers - have a great Christmas
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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

Just note my opinions may not be correct or even very bright, I just knows what I likes and may or may not say so dependant upon the pics
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Oh and the odd bit of praise doesn't do me any harm either...
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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

I am late to this forum. Really love the scene. Wish I could have taken it. Probably going to upset some people but have you tried flipping the scene. A judge once told me that (european) people read from left to right.Looks good that way.

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Just note my opinions may not be correct or even very bright, I just knows what I likes and may or may not say so dependant upon the pics
A subjective opinion can never be correct or incorrect. It just is what it is. I appreciate anyone's views, and frankly I don't care whether people giving them are photography experts or not. Everyone is an expert when it comes to what they like and dislike...
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I am late to this forum. Really love the scene. Wish I could have taken it. Probably going to upset some people but have you tried flipping the scene. A judge once told me that (european) people read from left to right.Looks good that way.

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Well I don't mind either way, but obviously I saw the scene the right way around and therefore had to read it as I saw it. I guess that makes the original right for me.

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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

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I am late to this forum. Really love the scene. Wish I could have taken it. Probably going to upset some people but have you tried flipping the scene. A judge once told me that (european) people read from left to right.Looks good that way.

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Hey Kiwi, by flipping the scene one's eyes are led up the stairs & out of the pic!! Maybe text is read left to right by Europeans or Westerners, but paintings & photos are possibly read by leading the eye to subjects or colours (in my opinion, but correct me if I'm wrong!) and positioning eg Rule of3rds or golden ratio. The original, which leads the eye down to water & then throughout the picture is a lot more pleasing & dare I say it, logical choice! A superb shot just as it was shot!
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Re: (Very) slippery steps...

I see steps leading one upwards and the user (viewer) travelling along the top path and up the valley. Either way that scene works. Maybe its because we live at the bottom of the world .

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