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EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?


lenses and flash are also shown there. 22mm f/2 and 18-55mm zoom.

I'm wondering atm if or not this is true. could be true leak.
just want to know how Ian would react



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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

As far as I know it is true and the official press release is due Monday I think.

Looks like it will be a aps-c sensor so once you start getting longer lenses than the standard and pancakes it will probably have the problem of the Sony Nex that it looks and handles like a milk bottle on a cigarette packet.
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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

Hi Yoshi - it looks like it. There are lots of rumours of a new product launch tomorrow (Monday) but as usual Canon is not saying anything officially. I contacted Canon's PR team in the UK last week by email and didn't even get a reply.

Canon is the only camera manufacturer that generally doesn't provide new camera details in advance of a launch. It makes my life a bit difficult because the press releases usually arrive without warning early in the morning UK time (around 6AM) and it means a lot of work to get the information sorted out and published.

But then of course Canon said that mirrorless was not necessary... !

I do expect a Canon CSC to be very different from a DSLR in order to protect their DSLR sales. Of course that is the wrong strategy because their new product should really be something that improves on a DSLR.

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

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As far as I know it is true and the official press release is due Monday I think.

Looks like it will be a aps-c sensor so once you start getting longer lenses than the standard and pancakes it will probably have the problem of the Sony Nex that it looks and handles like a milk bottle on a cigarette packet.
Yes - I see the mention of an 18-55 zoom, which if it is a kit zoom does appear to make it an APS-C sensor.

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

I have had a closer look at the product images and they do look genuine. The 18-55 looks very long; no sign of a collapsing barrel design like Olympus, Panasonic, and Samsung. But I have to say the detail in the design looks extremely nice, especially around the area of the shutter release. It's very G-like.

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

So it looks to be true.
Here at one of our websites, the new model is already under attack.

no articulated monitor, in-body IS (meaning in-lens IS is better in his case) , no in-body flash ...
slow AF,

and of course, it looks big and heavy than its counterparts from other brands...
All agree that Canon should provide purchasers with a mount adapter between the new mount and their existing EF(-S) mount FREE OF CHARGE, like Olympus did when they first introduced 4/3rds camera E-1.

not sure if they really touched it.

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

The problem for Canon, like Nikon when it launched the Nikon 1 system, is that they risk a commercial disaster if they divert sales away from their EOS DSLRs. They clearly now accept that a mirrorless system is vital for their long term plans, but they have opted for a model that is very different to a DSLR - at least to start with. Nikon was more extreme because they opted for a very small sensor, large enough so that the image quality wasn't obviously like a compact camera (an example of that is the Pentax Q) but with limited creative control over depth of field and absolute image quality.

Canon doesn't seem to have followed the Nikon example; I think this is in some ways a strategic decision; their No.1 rival is Nikon and by using a much larger sensor they will have the upper hand in terms of image quality.

Do we know that there is in-body IS? I personally favour in-body IS. I have never been comfortable with the idea of interference in the purity and alignment of the optics in a lens by OIS, although this concern hasn't obviously been evident in results. In-body IS should also mean less expensive lenses and the ability to stabilise practically any lens, even very old ones.

It looks like I will have to set my alarm for an early wake-up tomorrow morning!

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

I've posted a blog update on this topic here:

http://dpnow.com/forum2/blog.php?b=336

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

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Do we know that there is in-body IS?
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No, not yet.
There is a counter argument that it does have a in-lens IS. It says that the 18-55mm lens picture shows vague letters which can be read as "image" of image stabilizer.
This person is again counter-argued by another that "there is no big merit to have in-lens IS if the body has no optical view finder. In-body IS is more suitable for the mirror-less for well known reasons."

no conclusion yet. but it seems we can know it tomorrow.


Also about slow AF. The argument comes from the "slow" AF of the latest EOS Kiss X6i (650D?) introduced recently. The argument assumes that the AF speed of the EOS -M must be similar to or slower than the 650D. Olympus seems to have developed a faster AF on their CSC. But Canon?


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It looks like I will have to set my alarm for an early wake-up tomorrow morning!

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thank you. Off to bed a bit early today. A glass of ale should help.
or the risk of oversleeping increases?

yoshi


PS. Oh, I just read another rumour saying that higher end of EOS M model will be announced on the following day, 23rd. The rumour says it has EVF (and articulating monitor screen? - i forgot). How trustworthy is beyond my imagination though.
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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

Press release arrived at 5AM but no pictures yet (this always happens with Canon UK).


Pricing and Availability
The EOS M will be available in the UK and Republic of Ireland from October 2012
EOS M + EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM: £769.99 / € 909.99 RRP incl. VAT.
EOS M + EF-M 22mm f/2 STM + Lens Adapter £879.99 / € 1,049.99 RRP incl. VAT.
EOS M + EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM + EF-M 22mm f/2 STM £949.99 / € 1,129.99 RRP incl. VAT.
EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM £269.99/ € 320.99 RRP incl. VAT.
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM £229.99 / € 273.99 RRP incl. VAT.
Lens Adapter £129.99 / € 154.99 RRP incl. VAT.
Speedlite EX90. £119.99/€139.99 RRP incl. VAT


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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

So what we have here is a smaller, lighter, mirrorless Canon EOS 650D without a viewfinder for £170 more than a 650D. An Olympus OM-D is only £90 more and you get a more versatile kit lens, EVF, 9-10fps, articulating touch screen, and the option of a portrait mode battery grip. Maybe faster AF too.

Press release here:

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

looks like another me-too product. 650D seems much more attractive than this one, except for the size.

Canon is the last player who enter into this market segment but seemingly have failed to show advantages over predecessors.

Here at our site, many started to say they would wait for the second model...

As far as specification is concerned, not quite attractive enough so my remaining interests are picture quality and usability.

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Re: EOS M = Canon Mirrorless ?

Thanks Yoshi - it's very interesting to hear what the forums in Japan are discussing.

It's hard not to think that Canon is not showing a great deal of enthusiasm over this launch.

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