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Golden Gallery
24-03-09, 10:10 PM
It has been quite a while since we had a new photo in the Golden Gallery, but today non member Eyal Zarrods picture of Fishermen at Sunset (http://dpnow.com/galleries/showphoto.php/photo/15932/size/big/cat/) caught our eye. I'm afraid we know little about Eyal or where the photo was taken. Suffice to say we like his photo, and hope he will now register on the site and start his own free gallery so he can show us some more of his great photography.
If you feel you have a photo good enough for the Golden Gallery then why not try submitting it at http://dpnow.com/goldengallery.html
I don't feel that it is right or fair to put a non-member's image in the "Golden Gallery". For a start, as you state ...
I'm afraid we know little about Eyal or where the photo was taken. Suffice to say we like his photo, and hope he will now register on the site and start his own free gallery so he can show us some more of his great photography.
I am perhaps speaking out of turn here but what is the point in being a member of this site if you do this? The photo is indeed very good but my point is now logged.
How does everyone else feel about this?
I don't feel that it is right or fair to put a non-member's image in the "Golden Gallery". For a start, as you state ...
I'm afraid we know little about Eyal or where the photo was taken. Suffice to say we like his photo, and hope he will now register on the site and start his own free gallery so he can show us some more of his great photography.
I am perhaps speaking out of turn here but what is the point in being a member of this site if you do this? The photo is indeed very good but my point is now logged.
How does everyone else feel about this?
One of the purposes behind the Golden Gallery was to attract new talent to DPNow. We'll invite Eyal to join the forum - hopefully he will accept.
Ian
Golden Gallery
24-03-09, 11:33 PM
Gina I can assure you that this very point was discussed and it was decided that the rules have never stated that photos have to be submitted by registered members. In this instance then we decided to include the photo
Golden Gallery Admin
So how do you know that any submission is the original work of the person? Have you considered that it could be stolen work and how would you check this?
Stephen
25-03-09, 01:15 PM
So how do you know that any submission is the original work of the person? Have you considered that it could be stolen work and how would you check this?
Hi Gina, you make a fair point. In this instance the picture appears on the home page of Eyals website so I don't think there is any doubt. In truth though the same issue applies to any image put in the galleries or shown on the site, and therefore we have to trust that work is the peoples own
So how do you know that any submission is the original work of the person? Have you considered that it could be stolen work and how would you check this?
Well, we do have to work on trust. This would apply similarly to both registered and non-registered photographers. We have occasionally had work posted that was not the work of the poster and, once discovered, it has been removed.
Ian
Thanks for your explanations.
I agree with Gina on this.
What puzzles me Ian, is that you say, "But today non member Eyal Zarrods picture of Fishermen at Sunset caught our eye."
Where did it catch your eye? I didn't know people could upload pictures unless they had a gallery, which comes with being a member.
Do you mean that you spotted it on the internet or is it somewhere on DPNow and I haven't spotted it?
If you know nothing about him, how can you get it touch with him? I have done a forum search by his name and the name of the photograph but nothing shows.:confused:
BTW I like the photo.*LOL
Stephen
25-03-09, 06:12 PM
I agree with Gina on this.
What puzzles me Ian, is that you say, "But today non member Eyal Zarrods picture of Fishermen at Sunset caught our eye."
Where did it catch your eye? I didn't know people could upload pictures unless they had a gallery, which comes with being a member.
Do you mean that you spotted it on the internet or is it somewhere on DPNow and I haven't spotted it?
If you know nothing about him, how can you get it touch with him? I have done a forum search by his name and the name of the photograph but nothing shows.:confused:
BTW I like the photo.*LOL
Audrey, anyone can upload and submit a photo for consideration to the Golden Gallery at http://dpnow.com/goldengallery.html.
There are many people who sign up for the DPNow newsletter and therefore receive information about the site including the Golden Gallery, it is also promoted on the Portal page and in every POTD.
We are trying to encourage examples of excellence and talent to the site. We would like to see more submissions, but frankly there are few from the regular forum members. It is therefore open to anyone and we hope that in so doing more people will join and give everyone something to aspire to
Audrey, anyone can upload and submit a photo for consideration to the Golden Gallery at http://dpnow.com/goldengallery.html.
There are many people who sign up for the DPNow newsletter and therefore receive information about the site including the Golden Gallery, it is also promoted on the Portal page and in every POTD.
We are trying to encourage examples of excellence and talent to the site. We would like to see more submissions, but frankly there are few from the regular forum members. It is therefore open to anyone and we hope that in so doing more people will join and give everyone something to aspire to
Are you saying that members should put their own photographs forward for Golden Gallery? I thought someone had to spot a members photo and then suggest it for the Golden Gallery.*LOL
Stephen
25-03-09, 06:35 PM
Are you saying that members should put their own photographs forward for Golden Gallery? I thought someone had to spot a members photo and then suggest it for the Golden Gallery.*LOL
Precisely so Audrey, members should put their photos forward.
We are trying to encourage examples of excellence and talent to the site. We would like to see more submissions, but frankly there are few from the regular forum members. It is therefore open to anyone and we hope that in so doing more people will join and give everyone something to aspire to
I was under the impression this site was for photographers of all levels of ability. I think we all aspire to be better but you are looking for an 'elite' group. Some of us will never be at a professional level but if it wasn't for the input of the few regular members here this site would die. If you are looking for DP Now to become a professional elitist website then good luck to you. Who are the judges of the GG and what qualifies them to pick what get's through?
The Golden Gallery is a farce anyway, judged by just a few people - why is that? I would like to see more interaction with the members of this site/forum instead of how it is at present. It would be more democratic to put images submitted in the arena so that we can all have an opinion wouldn't it? Something like POTD. This is not about the images, it's about the politics of this site and at the moment, it's not good.
I think we all strive to upload our best work here and over the years have had much advice and made a few good friends but I think it's unfair to established members that you have allowed this action, especially as no one but the admin have seen it.
Thanks Audrey for your support x
I was under the impression this site was for photographers of all levels of ability. I think we all aspire to be better but you are looking for an 'elite' group. Some of us will never be at a professional level but if it wasn't for the input of the few regular members here this site would die. If you are looking for DP Now to become a professional elitist website then good luck to you. Who are the judges of the GG and what qualifies them to pick what get's through?
The Golden Gallery is a farce anyway, judged by just a few people - why is that? I would like to see more interaction with the members of this site/forum instead of how it is at present. It would be more democratic to put images submitted in the arena so that we can all have an opinion wouldn't it? Something like POTD. This is not about the images, it's about the politics of this site and at the moment, it's not good.
I think we all strive to upload our best work here and over the years have had much advice and made a few good friends but I think it's unfair to established members that you have allowed this action, especially as no one but the admin have seen it.
Thanks Audrey for your support x
Hi Gina,
I'm very concerned that you seem to feel that the Golden Gallery is elitist or unfair. That is really not our intention at all. I think we all have a common interest - in discovering and enjoying great photos, whether we create them ourselves or enjoy the work of others.
The purpose of the Golden Gallery is to inspire photographers, whether they are DPNow members or not, to achieve very high standards of work, and for us to showcase it. This should bring added enjoyment to DPNow visitors and to give us all a benchmark to achieve in our own photography. I'm pleased that several DPNow regulars have pictures in the Golden Gallery, but why should we limit submissions to forum members? Surely that would be self-defeating?
It's true that it's mainly Stephen and I that vet the submissions. If you feel that our choices to date are not good, then let's debate merits of those pictures. I'd add that it's much easier to appreciate a great picture than it is to create one, so I don't take any particular special credit for doing the job of sorting the submissions, and I feel Stephen would feel the same.
There are quite a few sites that do just what we do on the Golden Gallery, but to a much larger scale.
I'm very sorry if the concept of the Golden Gallery is objectionable to you - really sorry - but the truth is that it was conceived to add interest and enjoyment for all on DPNow. I hope that this explanation goes some way to allaying any concerns you have had on this topic.
Ian
Mike Parr
25-03-09, 09:08 PM
Ian,
Unfotunately I think that by selecting a so called golden group of pictures you have inadvertantly created an elitist group by virtue you have discarded what could be percieved as lesser images. Now I do believe this was not your intention, the fact that the selection process is carried out by only a select few, (whose ability is in no way being questioned here), it comes across as similar to being eligible for The World Series.
Again unfortunatly the WWW is a wonderful thing but it is not truly transparent to peoples thoughts and ideas, and I feel that selection procedures should be more transparent.
I can agree with Gina on most of her points but also feel that you have the best intentions for the site, hopefully this debate will let you know how this site is an important part of peoples photographic interests and people will feel again that this is a site truly worthy of its reputation in that all members are invited to join in all aspects of this site.
regards
Mike
Are you saying that members should put their own photographs forward for Golden Gallery? I thought someone had to spot a members photo and then suggest it for the Golden Gallery.*LOL
That is also the way I thought it worked. I never knew we had to put our own photos forward. If that is the case I may be cheeky and put one of my sunset photos forward;)
That is also the way I thought it worked. I never knew we had to put our own photos forward. If that is the case I may be cheeky and put one of my sunset photos forward;)
Go for it Peter! :)
Ian
Ian,
Unfotunately I think that by selecting a so called golden group of pictures you have inadvertantly created an elitist group by virtue you have discarded what could be percieved as lesser images. Now I do believe this was not your intention, the fact that the selection process is carried out by only a select few, (whose ability is in no way being questioned here), it comes across as similar to being eligible for The World Series.
Again unfortunatly the WWW is a wonderful thing but it is not truly transparent to peoples thoughts and ideas, and I feel that selection procedures should be more transparent.
I can agree with Gina on most of her points but also feel that you have the best intentions for the site, hopefully this debate will let you know how this site is an important part of peoples photographic interests and people will feel again that this is a site truly worthy of its reputation in that all members are invited to join in all aspects of this site.
regards
Mike
Well, first of all I thank you for seeing things from the different angles, but I have to take issue with a couple of things. I feel the word 'elitist' is, by definition, used to convey negativity. You can have a positive application for the word 'elite' but 'elitist' is usually used negatively. Why would we do something that would be interpreted as 'elitist'?
I also think that the perception of elitism is due to a misunderstanding of what the Golden Gallery is all about. Stephen and I have been open as possible about the Golden Gallery. The explanation of how it operates has been public for many months and invitations to submit to the Golden Gallery have been included in every Picture of the Day since last Autumn, and also recent DPNow newsletters. Despite that, many seem not to have realised that you have to pro-actively submit to the Golden Gallery. I don't really know what more we could have done to publicise this.
I still 100% believe in the concept of the Golden Gallery and I very much hope that this added publicity will encourage more submissions.
Ian
Stephen and I have been open as possible about the Golden Gallery. The explanation of how it operates has been public for many months and invitations to submit to the Golden Gallery have been included in every Picture of the Day since last Autumn, and also recent DPNow newsletters. Despite that, many seem not to have realised that you have to pro-actively submit to the Golden Gallery. I don't really know what more we could have done to publicise this.
Ian
You are right Ian, it has been as it is, that you have to submit your own photos! I just didn't believe it and thought I didn't understand it!*smash *LOL
I may also put one forward one day, now I have got over the shock!
If nothing else, Gina's post has helped to clarify the rules, because ATMIT, 3 of us thought someone else had to elect your image - and there may be more.
Jocelyn Walker
26-03-09, 05:45 AM
I feel that quite a number of members would aspire to the level/quality etc of Pops bird shots....or Trevors (Digit) landscapes! I know I certainly wish I had their abilities! Perhaps a few more of their works could be considered for inclusion! (If they are willing participants!) I sure wish I had a camera that could produce crisp, sharp photos as well! Not to say that my ability as a photographer would be at a high level to begin with! I truly wish I could afford a DSLR & lenses worth anywhere from $2500! Probably closer to $4000 with the tripods & filters etc! Anyhow, with that said, I feel the Golden Gallery is for the 'Elite'! Certainly something to aspire to, SOME day....maybe one day! Hmmmmm! Dream on gal!:b:U)
You are right Ian, it has been as it is, that you have to submit your own photos! I just didn't believe it and thought I didn't understand it!*smash *LOL
I may also put one forward one day, now I have got over the shock!
If nothing else, Gina's post has helped to clarify the rules, because ATMIT, 3 of us thought someone else had to elect your image - and there may be more.
Yes - I'm certainly thankful to Gina for highlighting the Golden Gallery and enabling everyone to understand it better :)
Ian