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It's strange to think that Windows XP is now over five years old. Windows Vista is already being shipped to corporate customers and Joe Public will be able to buy it in the new year.
Has anyone here had a look? Are there any features that grab you concerning Vista? How will Vista impact on digital photography, if at all?
Ian
StuartR
19-12-06, 01:20 PM
And will we need to upgrade our hardware to run it?
XP is nice and stable and runs well on all the PCs in our house - I'd need a really good reason to upgrade.
I will also be interested to see how CS3 runs on my main 3GHz dual core P4 but perhaps that's another thread.....
I downloaded the compatability software and it told me my broadband moden , scanner, and card readers were incompatable , plus numerous other little things , don't think i'll bother yet , XP is stable and with 4gb ram CS2 is fast enough .
B..
There is a school of though that says Vista will work on a computer that can run XP. In reality, I think driver issues will kick-up a few problems. But I think I am right in thinking that Vista is less of a change from XP than XP was from Windows 2000. XP was, of course, a completely different OS to Windows 95/98 and ME.
From what I have seen, Vista is much more about the layer above the low level OS, with a lot of interesting new user interface and visual enhancements, rather than core OS changes that would cause major hardware incompatibilities, though feeble processor and graphics cards might not run Vista adequately and you'll probably need more RAM if you're on the limit with XP.
Ian
There is a school of though that says Vista will work on a computer that can run XP.
:D :D :D
Windows XP service pack 2 can't even run on the same computer that Windows XP service pack 1 can! I shudder to think what problems Vista will exhibit.
My PC was bought with Windows XP SP1 pre-installed, and it's had a couple of hardware changes in its time (different graphics card, new DVD drives, etc) but it's ostensibly the same machine. Whenever I try to upgrade to Windows XP SP2 it fails to even boot to Windows after the first restart. :rolleyes:
And Windows update has the gall to pop-up with a message every time I turn on the PC telling me it's no longer supported and that I *must* upgrade to SP2. Well forgive me for not wanting to turn my perfectly working computer into an inanimate pile of metal parts that's incapable of even booting up, but I'll stick with what I've got thanks..! :\
:D :D :D
Windows XP service pack 2 can't even run on the same computer that Windows XP service pack 1 can! I shudder to think what problems Vista will exhibit.
My PC was bought with Windows XP SP1 pre-installed, and it's had a couple of hardware changes in its time (different graphics card, new DVD drives, etc) but it's ostensibly the same machine. Whenever I try to upgrade to Windows XP SP2 it fails to even boot to Windows after the first restart. :rolleyes:
And Windows update has the gall to pop-up with a message every time I turn on the PC telling me it's no longer supported and that I *must* upgrade to SP2. Well forgive me for not wanting to turn my perfectly working computer into an inanimate pile of metal parts that's incapable of even booting up, but I'll stick with what I've got thanks..! :\
Yes, I've heard a lot of people report this problem, though oddly enough I have upgraded at least 7-8 XP machines to SP2 without a single problem.
Ian
Bearface
19-12-06, 07:38 PM
I ran the Vista Upgrade Advisor, and it erm......advised me that I'd need to remove Nero (the CD burning software) before installing Vista. It also suggested that I might encounter "minor compatibility issues" with my graphics card, but only if I was using certain Windows Aero applications. My system was one I built myself recently, so I suppose it's as "up to date" as it needs to be.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not really sure what the advantages are with Vista over the latest versions of XP, other than the obvious cosmetic changes and the "experience". Like Ian, I'd love to hear from anyone who has used it extensively.
My PC was bought with Windows XP SP1 pre-installed, and it's had a couple of hardware changes in its time (different graphics card, new DVD drives, etc) but it's ostensibly the same machine. Whenever I try to upgrade to Windows XP SP2 it fails to even boot to Windows after the first restart. :rolleyes:
And Windows update has the gall to pop-up with a message every time I turn on the PC telling me it's no longer supported and that I *must* upgrade to SP2. Well forgive me for not wanting to turn my perfectly working computer into an inanimate pile of metal parts that's incapable of even booting up, but I'll stick with what I've got thanks..! :\
I had a nightmare time of it when I initially tried to upgrade to SP2. I have a Mesh PC, Athlon processor and Mesh techie support explained that there are a few that need a patch to enable compatibility with SP2, otherwise the PC refuses to boot up properly, goes round in an eternal loop and you're stuck with it.
My eldest son finally came home to help me. We contacted Mesh Computers who emailed a patch to enable SP2 compatability. It failed first time, so we contacted them again and they sent another patch on disc and posted a special boot disc. That fixed the problem but it still wasn't very stable - so my son reformatted the PC, reinstalled all the software, let it settle for a couple of days then we upgraded to SP2 no problem. (He did it for me, I was on my knees praying. :D )
My PC is absolutely fine now. I'm using at the moment, complete with SP2 installed and working normally and with automatic updates turned back on now I've regained some confidence in it (and invested in a backup laptop just in case!) :D
Is yours a Mesh PC? If not, is it an Athlon processor? Maybe your technical support can help and advise. Mesh was very helpful for us, knew all about the sort of thing that was happening and talked several times with my son when he was fixing what had become my seriously trashed PC. I heard of a few people who had similar problems with SP2.
Good luck with it.
Pol
I had a nightmare time of it when I initially tried to upgrade to SP2. I have a Mesh PC, Athlon processor and Mesh techie support explained that there are a few that need a patch to enable compatibility with SP2, otherwise the PC refuses to boot up properly, goes round in an eternal loop and you're stuck with it.
My eldest son finally came home to help me. We contacted Mesh Computers who emailed a patch to enable SP2 compatability. It failed first time, so we contacted them again and they sent another patch on disc and posted a special boot disc. That fixed the problem but it still wasn't very stable - so my son reformatted the PC, reinstalled all the software, let it settle for a couple of days then we upgraded to SP2 no problem. (He did it for me, I was on my knees praying. :D )
My PC is absolutely fine now. I'm using at the moment, complete with SP2 installed and working normally and with automatic updates turned back on now I've regained some confidence in it (and invested in a backup laptop just in case!) :D
Is yours a Mesh PC? If not, is it an Athlon processor? Maybe your technical support can help and advise. Mesh was very helpful for us, knew all about the sort of thing that was happening and talked several times with my son when he was fixing what had become my seriously trashed PC. I heard of a few people who had similar problems with SP2.
Good luck with it.
Pol
One of the people I know who had a problem with the SP2 upgrade had a Mesh desktop PC.
Ian
One of the people I know who had a problem with the SP2 upgrade had a Mesh desktop PC.
Ian
It was back in the early Summer I had all the problems with mine. I wouldn't have believed what should have been a straightforward upgrade could result in such a nightmare scenario!
I was lucky in that our eldest son was able to come down for a couple of days and see what could be done. He phoned Mesh, started describing the problem and they immediately cut in and said they were familiar with the problem - so it was well known to them, patches ready and available for emailing to customers and offers of ongoing phone help no problem. It's a shame they hadn't mentioned anything previously, though I have the impression it's not ALL their PCs that had the problem, just some of them. I never spoke to them myself, my son did it all for me. :)
The PC was new in late August 2004, less than 2 yrs old at the time so I'd have been very cheesed off it had been permanently trashed, or unable to accept SP2 along with all the usual automatic security updates.
I knew that icon reminder well - the one that kept popping up reminding me SP1 was no longer to be supported after Oct 10th and there wasn't anything I could do about it without patches, new boot disc and a fair amount of support from Mesh and a capable and willing son who came home for a couple of days to sort it for me.
Pol
Is yours a Mesh PC? If not, is it an Athlon processor? Maybe your technical support can help and advise.
No, mine's a Dell.
I'm reasonably sure... well, fairly certainly... that is, I have half an idea... okay, I'm *guessing* that my problem lies with a graphics card.
I bought the Dell PC around the time I was building one from scratch to use as a second machine. This second machine was actually to replace an aging Mesh that was getting real slow (it was only 300MHz). I bought a fairly new nVidia graphics card for it, and then realised it was more powerful than the one in the Dell PC - so I swapped them before installing the Dell one (another nVidia) into the second PC.
It's just vaguely possible that it's this graphics card that's causing issues with SP2. I've half a mind to switch it back and try again, but each time I think of doing that the other half of my mind suggests going and buying a fairly modern ATI card instead.
When SP2 came out, I waited a few weeks to be sure all the bugs had been caught before I tried installing. Initially I tried upgrading, but ended up not being able to get Windows to boot right. So I reinstalled everything from scratch (wiping C: first) to be sure I didn't have any corrupted drivers or software anywhere. I tried the upgrade again but the same problem. The next time around I wiped C: again, installed *just* Windows XP SP1 and then applied the SP2 upgrade. Still I had the problem of it failing to boot properly.
Having wasted several days just trying to get SP2 installed, I gave up and went back to SP1 which has been working fine ever since.
I think it's ridiculous that Microsoft stopped supporting SP1 when there are clearly a lot of people who can't upgrade to SP2. Effectively, the life of Windows XP SP1 has been a heck of a lot shorter than the life of Windows 98!
When I find myself with some free time, I'll probably go through the rigamarole of trying to upgrade to SP2 again - after first fiddling with the graphics card so I can settle my mind on that issue before I waste even more time on it.
No, mine's a Dell.
I'm reasonably sure... well, fairly certainly... that is, I have half an idea... okay, I'm *guessing* that my problem lies with a graphics card.
I bought the Dell PC around the time I was building one from scratch to use as a second machine. This second machine was actually to replace an aging Mesh that was getting real slow (it was only 300MHz). I bought a fairly new nVidia graphics card for it, and then realised it was more powerful than the one in the Dell PC - so I swapped them before installing the Dell one (another nVidia) into the second PC.
It's just vaguely possible that it's this graphics card that's causing issues with SP2. I've half a mind to switch it back and try again, but each time I think of doing that the other half of my mind suggests going and buying a fairly modern ATI card instead.
When SP2 came out, I waited a few weeks to be sure all the bugs had been caught before I tried installing. Initially I tried upgrading, but ended up not being able to get Windows to boot right. So I reinstalled everything from scratch (wiping C: first) to be sure I didn't have any corrupted drivers or software anywhere. I tried the upgrade again but the same problem. The next time around I wiped C: again, installed *just* Windows XP SP1 and then applied the SP2 upgrade. Still I had the problem of it failing to boot properly.
Having wasted several days just trying to get SP2 installed, I gave up and went back to SP1 which has been working fine ever since.
I think it's ridiculous that Microsoft stopped supporting SP1 when there are clearly a lot of people who can't upgrade to SP2. Effectively, the life of Windows XP SP1 has been a heck of a lot shorter than the life of Windows 98!
When I find myself with some free time, I'll probably go through the rigamarole of trying to upgrade to SP2 again - after first fiddling with the graphics card so I can settle my mind on that issue before I waste even more time on it.
Maybe you just need to update the driver of your graphics card?
Ian
Maybe you just need to update the driver of your graphics card?
Ian
Ha, haa! :D
Maybe when nVidia start releasing drivers for graphics cards and not an all-encompassing piece of bloatware that's meant to accomodate every chip they've ever released, then just maybe there'll be a decent, stable, driver for their chipsets.
That's why my next graphics card will probably be an ATI. (But maybe that's like swapping the devil for the deep blue sea... :\ )
rogleale
20-12-06, 03:35 PM
Hi Ian,
Yes, actually I have been running the beta's of Vista for about three months now, and at the moment I am on RC1. I like it, and will be buying it as soon as I can.
I didn't try upgrading anything, just installed in a new partition, and it went without problems. None of my hardware was incompatible, and I was very impressed to find out that Vista could identify both my printers, (Canon i850 and Canon i9950), and had drivers pre-installed. It also found my Wacom tablet and had a driver for that too. All the other USB devices installed themselves, Zip, external HD, card reader.
Some of my software didn't work 100%, Partition Magic amongst them, but all the essentials did, my mail programme Poco, True Image 10, Photoshop CS2, Qimage etc.. Symantec are not giving out any info yet on a new Partition Magic but Acronis say that a compatible Disk Director is in the pipe-line and I am so happy with True Image that I shall probably take Acronis's Disk Director when it is available.
The CS3 and Bridge beta's work well and are very impressive.
My main machine is a BOAC with an Athlon 64 3500+, nVidia GeForce 7300GT, and 2 GB PC 3200 DDR, on an Asus A8V-X mobo, which gives me a performance score of 4.1, limited by the CPU.
My second BOAC is a Sempron 2200, nVidia GeForce FX 6200AX, 1 GB DDR, on an Asrock K7VT4A Pro mobo, with a performance score of 2.0, which is barely enough to run Aero in Vista. The limiting factor for most people will be the graphics card which must have at least Active X 9.0 and 3D shading for the full Aero effects, but Vista runs well without Aero, it's just the icing on the cake after all!
For photographers the print procedure has been improved, but I think that most photogs use another programme anyway for their print output.
To sum up - I like it, and I shall buy it. I have been running RC1, (I missed out on RC2!) for about a month - not a single crash!
Roger
Archangel
20-12-06, 04:12 PM
It's strange to think that Windows XP is now over five years old. Windows Vista is already being shipped to corporate customers and Joe Public will be able to buy it in the new year.
Has anyone here had a look? Are there any features that grab you concerning Vista? How will Vista impact on digital photography, if at all?
Ian
I have Windows XP installed after I made my own custom CD installation using "nLite" software. The entire Windows XP custom installation setup is only 170MB and the installation on the hard disk is about 450Mb. I included on my nLite custom CD all the hotfixes up to October 2006. My sytem runs rock stable and with the speed of light.
I gave a try to Vista RC2. The installation on the hard disk is about 8GB!
Too much fancy with all kinds of unnecessary things on them plus always a terrible warning when you try to install new software. Not compatible with all drivers. After I played around for half hour, I just formated my hard disk and installed XP again.
Personally I don't think that I will ever install Vista in any of my PCs. I might try it one more time though, if nLite comes up with options for custom installations for Vista.
Though to be totally honest, I will stick to Windows XP and especially if an official SP3 comes out.
Regards
George
It's strange to think that Windows XP is now over five years old. Windows Vista is already being shipped to corporate customers and Joe Public will be able to buy it in the new year.
Has anyone here had a look? Are there any features that grab you concerning Vista? How will Vista impact on digital photography, if at all?
Ian
Hi George - 87GB? Surely that's a mistake?
Ian
rogleale
20-12-06, 05:06 PM
Hi George,
You might want to check out THIS (http://www.vlite.net).
It is a beta for a Vista lite install.
R*party oger
Archangel
20-12-06, 08:39 PM
Hi George - 87GB? Surely that's a mistake?
Ian
Hi Ian,
Obviously you read my post instantly! Yes it was a mistake and I corrected a 1-2 minutes after by editing my post. 8GB is the correct size which I think it is still too much for an operating system.
Regards
George
Archangel
20-12-06, 08:43 PM
Hi George,
You might want to check out THIS (http://www.vlite.net).
It is a beta for a Vista lite install.
R*party oger
Hi Roger,
Yes, I've seen the "vLite" software, but is still in its initial beta form and I don't know how well it does the job. When it comes up with some stable version, I will give it a try. If you have used it and have some personal experience with it, please inform me.
Regards
George
Hi Ian,
Obviously you read my post instantly! Yes it was a mistake and I corrected a 1-2 minutes after by editing my post. 8GB is the correct size which I think it is still too much for an operating system.
Regards
George
Phew! I'm glad it was a mistake... 8GB - I agree, it's over the top!
Ian
coupekid
21-12-06, 08:48 AM
Phew! I'm glad it was a mistake... 8GB - I agree, it's over the top!
Ian
The full monty install of Vista is actually 15GB. ;)
rogleale
21-12-06, 10:36 AM
What does the figure of 15 GB include? I have RC 1 installed, which lists itself as Vista Ultimate in the welcome page, and that totals about 6.5 GB.
Windows 4.27 GB, Users 1.03 GB, and Programs 1.27 GB. There are loads of things in the programs folder which could be removed, but that would not reduce the disc space by very much.
Roger
Archangel
21-12-06, 11:11 AM
What does the figure of 15 GB include? I have RC 1 installed, which lists itself as Vista Ultimate in the welcome page, and that totals about 6.5 GB.
Windows 4.27 GB, Users 1.03 GB, and Programs 1.27 GB. There are loads of things in the programs folder which could be removed, but that would not reduce the disc space by very much.
Roger
Personally, I have no clue what Windows Vista installs on the hard disk, but only in the Windows directory, I had 8GB installation files (with the Vista RC2 version).
Now with Windows XP SP2 (+ all hot fixes up to November 2006) in my entire disk with all software installations in the Program Files I have 2GB (505MB in Windows directory) occupied space and the entire system runs rock stable. I never had not even a single crash for the last 2 years!
I think Microsoft should concentrate more on the security/vulnerability, functionality and compatibility of older drivers (as it was between Windows 2000 and XP) and software with Vista, than in the fancy icons and other not needed services. I also found navigating through Windows Vista to be much confusing.
Anyway, my opinion.
Regards
George
rogleale
21-12-06, 03:23 PM
Hi,
I think that you made be a bit confused by the way Vista is installed. You do need 15 GB because Vista loads an image to the disc, expands it, and installs the OS from that. The installation image is then removed.
A Vista Ultimate after a clean install is about 7.5 GB - still rather a lot!
Roger
Steve40
10-01-07, 01:50 PM
My son just loaded vista on top of XP. He had a hard time of, and had to make several hacks to do so. But it is a lot nicer than XP, all of his stuff seems to work OK though. Advantages are mostly in the explorer as far as I can tell, anyway I am in no hurry, as everything I have runs fine to suit me. I can tell you it takes about twice! as much hard drive space to load vista.
He installed it on top of XP or in dual-boot configuration? This is a beta, I presume?
I didn't think installing it over XP was recommended?
Ian
Steve40
10-01-07, 02:23 PM
It probably is not recommended, but this is the way he does things, and probably why he had to make so many hacks. But he is a computer tech, and can do things us lowly peons cannot. Myself I would have taken XP off, it could not have taken any longer. :)
Steve40
10-01-07, 02:27 PM
I think the reason is so he could keep all his drivers intact. Like I said, he can do things I cannot. :)
My desktop machine hasn't had a Windows reinstall for a couple of years and in that time it's had a new motherboard and CPU, so I may do a reinstall soon with Vista just to see what happens.
Ian
Stephen
10-01-07, 05:44 PM
My desktop machine hasn't had a Windows reinstall for a couple of years and in that time it's had a new motherboard and CPU, so I may do a reinstall soon with Vista just to see what happens.
Ian
I've been waiting for you to do exactly that, before I attempt it :D Actually what I'd really like to do is install it on the partioned D: drive, but don't have a clue as to how
Steve40
10-01-07, 05:48 PM
You will probably like it. It has a real pop-up blocker that really works, nothing gets by it. You can have several different search engines open at the same time on your desktop, views like the multiple image display on your camera. Has tabbed browsing, etc.
If there are any driver issues, they probably have patches for them on MS already. Most devices that operate USB should have no problems anyway. Some Noah's Ark stuff people love to hang on to, may have problems. Like the old Mustek scanner I refused to give up on, until it mercifully just quit, relieving me from the problem. :)
I guess I will have it shortly, just as soon as the Son has time to fool with it. I am sure not. :eek:
Steve40
10-01-07, 05:52 PM
Stephen.
I'll ask the Son about that, it shouldn't be too hard.
Stephen
10-01-07, 06:11 PM
Stephen.
I'll ask the Son about that, it shouldn't be too hard.
Thanks Steve, much appreciated t-up
Steve40
10-01-07, 10:00 PM
Stephen and All.
What are your computer specs. You need: Video card 3D capable, 128 megs ram on the card, Minimum sytem ram 1 gig or better is recommended, At least 10 gigs hard drive space. Processor 1 gig or better.
Possible drivers may be needed for all your hardware. And there may be some problems with some of your peripherals, you may not be able to find drivers for.
My son said this is not like windows XP, it is a whole different windows, written an a whole new platform. So a lot of folks may not be able to run it, without a whole new computer, up to at least the minimum specs. Even if you machine is up to these specs, the hardware you have may not be compatible.
All the above specs are that minimum. And that does not even include possible preipheral drivers.
So you better see how deep the water is before you jump in. :eek: :)
What are your computer specs. You need: Video card 3D capable, 128 megs ram on the card, Minimum sytem ram 1 gig or better is recommended, At least 10 gigs hard drive space. Processor 1 gig or better.
I'm probably being incredibly dim here, but we are just talking about an "operating system", right? Why precisely does an operating system justify being such rampant bloatware? It's supposed to be a software layer that allows your applications to run. The kind of thing that fits on one 1.44MB floppy disk if it's called "Linux"...
What is this rabid tiger known as "Vista" doing with all those resources on a humble PC?
Stephen
10-01-07, 11:17 PM
What is this rabid tiger known as "Vista" doing with all those resources on a humble PC?
Well obviously if yours still has a floppy drive it is humble, but not mine mate *nono
Well obviously if yours still has a floppy drive it is humble, but not mine mate *nono
:D
I just think it's awfully bizarre that here's Vista, requiring so much space and resources, yet I have a perfectly serviceable version of Windows running on my PDA in about 32MB - and it runs a good Office suite, can run some nice games, plays movies, MP3s, browses the internet, does email, etc...
Yet Vista won't run without demanding that you spend upwards of £1000 on a new computer and possibly twice that to replace your existing hardware to something it likes. If that's not getting too big for one's boots, I don't know what is. An operating system should do what it's told, not the other way around - it's like the tail wagging the dog. :eek:
Steve40
10-01-07, 11:54 PM
Mine has a floppy, and a 100meg zip, and a dvd, and a cdr burner/rom, and 2 hard drives (45 gig, and 15 gig - really not enough). A 1.2 gig processor, but the video card is not big enough, and not enough ram :( . Like I said I am not in a big hurry to install another operating system to learn. :)
But wont it be to bad! if daddy Gates stops supporting XP, like he has the rest of the windows programs.
Stephen
10-01-07, 11:54 PM
:D
I just think it's awfully bizarre that here's Vista, requiring so much space and resources, yet I have a perfectly serviceable version of Windows running on my PDA in about 32MB - and it runs a good Office suite, can run some nice games, plays movies, MP3s, browses the internet, does email, etc...
Sounds like you are well sorted then :rolleyes:
Yet Vista won't run without demanding that you spend upwards of £1000 on a new computer and possibly twice that to replace your existing hardware to something it likes. If that's not getting too big for one's boots, I don't know what is. An operating system should do what it's told, not the other way around - it's like the tail wagging the dog. :eek:
Its the way of all things though isn't it, its no good complaining, you either jump on board or you get left behind, I suspect you will do it just the same as everyone else, you just won't be able to resist, you will be assimilated ;)
Sounds like you are well sorted then :rolleyes:
Well, I only mentioned the PDA because really it's the direction Windows should be heading in. Having the O/S on a chip has many advantages - instant boot up, can't be corrupted, immune to viruses, to reinstall in the event of problems just hard-reset and it's all back ready to roll.
Sounds like everything an O/S should be.
Its the way of all things though isn't it, its no good complaining, you either jump on board or you get left behind, I suspect you will do it just the same as everyone else, you just won't be able to resist, you will be assimilated ;)
Yeah, I know, I know... :rolleyes:
I just think back to my first PC - 8MB RAM, 1.7GB HDD, AMD-K5-75MHz, running Windows 95 - and it would be capable of doing very nearly everything I'm doing on my Windows XP machine. In fact, I do have a laptop running Windows 98SE that's a bit old (600MHz, 12GB HDD, 128MB RAM), which doubles up as a backup machine and does do everything my Windows XP machine can. Yet Vista wouldn't even stoop to allow itself to be installed on my Windows XP machine, never mind the laptop or the nostalgic Windows 95 AMD machine.
We add to the computer landfill, not because software and applications demand it, but because the operating system does. That's kind of like throwing your £300 Gucci shoes in the bin just because your smelly old socks don't like the look of them. :D :D
rogleale
11-01-07, 10:32 AM
Hi Stephen,
It's very easy, Vista will ask where you want to install it, you just tell it your prepared partition 'D'
Roger
Stephen
11-01-07, 11:18 AM
Hi Stephen,
It's very easy, Vista will ask where you want to install it, you just tell it your prepared partition 'D'
Roger
Thanks Roger, that certainly sounds promising, but surely when I want to boot up using Vista I would have to change the Bios setting to boot from D: rather than C: wouldn't I?
I have been trying to confirm if my current PC is so so ok for Vista but the "Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor" is always busy(?). Judging from what you posted earlier, my five yr old pc looks like "Vista compatible" but only slightly. It does not look like very comfortable when VIsta is installed.
I have to think what to do. Shall I be an early adopter or late adopter - that's the question.;) :\
A magazine I read before says min. Ram size 1GB but preferably 1.5 GB and if you want to feel comfortable 2GB, while my pc has already its maximum 1GB. No more room for additional RAM.:o
BTW Nikon announced yesterday Vista update information for their softwares (like Nikon caputure etc) for various DSLR's and digicams. Iirc, at least at the moment, only for Vista 32-bit version and for USB connection only. D1 series are excluded from the list of update.
Olympust is smarter than Nikon and announced their readiness today for updating. Surprisingly E-20 is among the models subject to the update. Oly is ready for both 32-bit version and for 64-bit version. For Oly, http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/support/cs/digital/vista_di.cfm
Regret I can not find English news release at the moment. The above infor is not thier final one. They say additional information for other models, softwares, peripherals will follow.
No information from Canon/Pentax/Sony etc yet.
yoshi
from Nikon's official site. translated by Yahoo translation and for DSLR and softwares only. It was too long for the translation software so I omitted compact digicams, film scanners etc...
Is this posting just noisy? - i'm afraid so.:D *party
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Update information： 2007
2007/01/10
Guidance about Windows Vista correspondence
Thank you for always using Nikon product habitually.
Of a digital camera, a scanner and Windows version software, about "Windows Vista ※" correspondence, guide you as follows". （I limit it to a ※ 32bit version.）
A digital single-lens reflex camera
For the following model, I plan a download of PictureProject which Windows Vista supported.
I have you use PTP connection of a USB communication method or mass storage connection.
D2XS, D2HS, D2X, D2H, D200, D100, D80, D70, D70S, D50, D40
In addition, D40 schedules a download of the firmware that acquired the premium logo certification of Windows Vista. Because there is not it, the D1 series (D1X, D1H, D1) please use a card reader or a card slot for a plan corresponding to connection to Windows Vista deployment PC.
Software
1.
PictureProject
I plan a download of the version that supported. But a transfer function comes to support a fault for the D1 series.
2.
Capture NX
I plan a download of the version that supported.
3. Camera Control Pro
I plan a download of the version that supported. But the D1 series comes to support a fault.
4.
nik Color Efex Pro 2.0
I do not guarantee that Ver.2.0 works. I am examining future correspondence.
5.
Wireless Camera Setup Utility
I do not guarantee that Ver.2.0 works. I am examining future correspondence.
6.
WT-3 Setup Utility
I do not guarantee that Ver.1.0 works. I am examining future correspondence.
7.
Wireless Connecting Utility
I do not guarantee that Ver.1.0 works. I am examining future correspondence.
8.
Nikon Scan 4
I do not guarantee that Ver.4.0.2 works. I am examining future correspondence.
9. Nikon Capture 4
There will not be a plan to support in future.
10. Nikon View 6
There will not be a plan to support in future.
11. PictureProject COOLPIX Remote Control
There will not be a plan to support in future.
12.
PictureProject DVD Show
There will not be a plan to support in future.
Because I have access to other SCSI and do not plan correspondence of Windows Vista about software corresponding to an article of serial connection, please understand it. I ask Nikon customer support center for an inquiry about this matter. I ask to be granted favor of the class of 1 with our product continuously.
rogleale
11-01-07, 12:37 PM
No need Stephen. Vista always sees itself as 'C', and gives you a boot option 'Old Windows' or 'Vista'. This option comes up as a white on black choice, but there is a free little tool called Vista Boot Pro which pretties it up a bit and gives you the choice of which is the default OS to boot.
Roger
Stephen
11-01-07, 12:49 PM
No need Stephen. Vista always sees itself as 'C', and gives you a boot option 'Old Windows' or 'Vista'. This option comes up as a white on black choice, but there is a free little tool called Vista Boot Pro which pretties it up a bit and gives you the choice of which is the default OS to boot.
Roger
Fantastic, thanks for that Roger. One final question (for the moment ;) ) Will the installation erase any data files already on the D: drive, I'm backing up anyway, but would like to know.
rogleale
11-01-07, 01:54 PM
Sorry, I don't know because I cleared a partition just to be sure.
Roger:)
Stephen
11-01-07, 02:00 PM
Sorry, I don't know because I cleared a partition just to be sure.
Roger:)
No problem, I've backed it up, so if it gets deleted its not an issue, thanks for the info once again t-up
rogleale
11-01-07, 04:42 PM
Me again Steve,
Rather than Vista Boot Pro I now use Easy BCD available free from here (http://www.neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1) it actually is Vista cleared.
Roger:D
Stephen
11-01-07, 07:39 PM
I did the business with Vista this afternoon, the D: drive had to be formatted to NTFS, but it all went without a hitch. I'm now online typing this using Vista. Mine is the Ultimate version, and there seems lots to explore and get used to, very different to XP, though much the same windows protocols are used.
I suppose when its released and this Evaluation version expires I will buy it, so untill then there seems little point in installing programs, creating data, and using it on a day to day basis, so XP will continue to be used, and this will be simply for evaluation and familiarisation. I'm off toplay with it now, I suspect there is much to be discovered
coupekid
11-01-07, 07:52 PM
I did the business with Vista this afternoon, the D: drive had to be formatted to NTFS, but it all went without a hitch. I'm now online typing this using Vista. Mine is the Ultimate version, and there seems lots to explore and get used to, very different to XP, though much the same windows protocols are used.
I suppose when its released and this Evaluation version expires I will buy it, so untill then there seems little point in installing programs, creating data, and using it on a day to day basis, so XP will continue to be used, and this will be simply for evaluation and familiarisation. I'm off toplay with it now, I suspect there is much to be discovered
Yay!
Go Stephen!
Check out these little gems:
http://gallery.microsoft.com/default.aspx?l=1
The sidebar gadgets look pretty cool. ;)
Stephen
11-01-07, 09:05 PM
Thanks Ben ;) It all looks very cool to me. Any idea how much its going to be when released?
coupekid
11-01-07, 09:24 PM
Thanks Ben ;) It all looks very cool to me. Any idea how much its going to be when released?
No idea yet, I will have a word with some of my geeky freinds and see if they know. :)
rogleale
12-01-07, 05:29 AM
Upgrade Vista Premium is on for pre-order at Amazon for £150
Roger
coupekid
12-01-07, 08:45 AM
Upgrade Vista Premium is on for pre-order at Amazon for £150
Roger
haha!
there we go.....another techno watcher! :D
rogleale
12-01-07, 09:55 AM
Certainly am! I can't wait to get my hands on a full Vista installation after running betas for four months.
Roger:D